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Old 03-15-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default New Here from Stuttgart, Germany

Joined to get some questions answered as this looked like THE PLACE...

I've been hobbying for a couple years - mainly Graphics for bikes and such...
I usually source out the local artist and let them demonstrate on my bikes, but there are not many around over here...

I want to know how to lay Metal Leaf for a new project along with True Fire.

Here is a pic of my 1st full scale attempt on my Bike.



I did it all; Motor, Turbo, Layout, Body, Prep, Graphics, Taping, etc...
Manily because of the language bearier - nobody understood what I was after...
Hope you like.

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Welcome aboard,
The bike looks great, this is the right place to get any help you need. The people here are the best.

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what kind of paint did you use on the bike. base and clear coat
it looks great

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welcome.....
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Welcome to the board.Nice looking Bike.
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Hi Jerry wie Sie sind,
Ich spreche Deutches wie ein zwei Einjahres, aper ich versuche zu helfen.
Did I do that right? I tried to say " I speak German like a two year old , but I'll try to help." Mabey you can help me to learn some more German.
The first thing is "CLEAN...CLEAN...CLEAN" everything must be clean, especially your hands. I use Dawn dish soap to clean everything. It is a strong detergent and a very good degreaser. I don't know the equivqlent product to recommend for over there, but you get the point.
Lay out your patterns by whatever method you like. I use transfer paper and application tape, or "Glad Press 'n Seal".
Once the patterns are in place and cut out, apply the sizing to the surface.

Oh you can buy gold leaf kits at craft stores here that have all of the ingriedients in them.

I usually mix a tiny amount (just a few drops) of one shot yellow to the sizing, this helps you to see it better. Keep the sizing thin and even!
You can spray it if you like. Also apply a small amount of sizing to a nearby area (this will be removed later) to help determine the drying time.

Remove the masking at this time. Allow the recommended drying time for the sizing. Test the sizing by rubbing your knuckle over the test area. If it squeaks ...it is ready.

Place a sheet of leaf over the design area and LIGHTLY the leaf into the sizing with your thumb.
DO NOT PRESS TOO HARD as the texture of the backing paper will be transferred to the leaf. Then carefully pull the backing paper away.
The leaf will stick to the sizing in the design area and the rest will stick to the backing paper.
Continue applying leaf until the whole design is covered.
Then finish pressing the leaf with the brush that came in the kit or clean cotton balls. Do this lightly from the center out.
At this point you are finished, unless you want to add texture to the leaf .
To add texture use a burnishing tool and rub in one direction, to change the design rub in another direction. this will cause a change in the pattern on the leaf and can be used to produce a bevel effect or a swirl etc....

This is basic info and with some experimenting can yield some very nice results. Hope this helps.


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Welcome Jerry! Great looking bike. I like the tribal pattern, and your drop shadow. Yes please, as Jilmar asked...more info on paints & clear.

Snuff - are you saying that you use "Glad Press 'n Seal" as masking?
Hmmmm...
That's what I love about this place. New ideas everyday!
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Super clean and good colors! Doing these parts for this type of bike can sometimes be difficult, to line up all the graphic lines, but it seems you found your way around that. Nice design. Post more when you can.
Welcome scary to the forum.
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Scary
what kind of paint did you use on the bike. base and clear coat it looks great
jim
Standard Automotive Paint - Urethane Enamel, there is NO HOK over here...
I had all the colors selected that I wanted, but the paint shop I went to only had European Colors to choose from: Peugeot Blue, Range Rover (light) Blue (BTW - not what I wanted), Suzuki (auto) Pearl White & Red...
The Red was the only one with a Gold Base Coat.
And there is only one coat of Clear - I got impatient and wanted to finish as Summer was nearing completion. This thing took a lot of time and Taping!
I always intended to go back and add more shadows and change the Flame's color to a darker blue - But work and life didn't permit it.

After a year of Riding, this happened:




So I want to up it a bit with some tears and pealings and proper shadows...

My problem is my Air Source for my Brush at home - (I get splatters and can not get a fine line...) So I am in the market for a good Home source for Air.

Not to mention I have to use a Transformer for 110v, which still only puts out 50 hz as opposed to the US 60 hz. Our clocks run slow because of this...

@ Snuff,
My Deutche sucks, I am an American - My Wife is Active Duty - I did my time and am out now. I just quit my Job in Mannheim due to Family moving to Stuttgart (PCS move).

The info you provided helps a lot.

How brushable is the Sizing (glue)? I'm looking to do a pinstripe on my other Bike.
I want to cover-up the Grey out lining the Black Tattoos with Red/Gold Metal Leaf and shadow it. I want a clean line on the outside and a brushed (tore) on the inside...
When you say, "I use transfer paper and application tape..." Can I use something like Frisk Masking then? I'm not sure what you mean by "Glad Press 'n Seal".

For this bike:



@ DIAZ
Seams are always a problem with so many panels - So I avoided them my 1st time out. Now I am feeling more couragous and want to bring the Flames around a bit...

I'll post more pics of this paint in the Photo section...


Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and compliments,
Jerry

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hi Scary Jerry. first welcome aboard, second, glad to see you are relatively ok after your spill!

i dont have any experience with the gold leafing stuff so i cant offer any help there.
Glad "Press-n-Seal" is a plastic food wrap that is slightly sticky on one side, makes it easy to "seal" it to whatever you want to - bowls, pans, motorcyle parts, even works on fabric! readily available in the states - you may, or may not, find it in Germany.
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Jerry

welcome and thanks for the info on the paint, both bikes look great.

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Hi Jerry,
The press 'n seal is a food wrap that you can stick to "anything" even paper and fabric. It is great stuff and can even be stretched around corners.
I don't know if you can get it over there though.
Yes the sizing is brushable. I usually brush it. I also test it for the right consistency by brushing it on a piece of glass. If it smooths out and levels in a second or two it's good to go. If not thin it a little and try again. If it holds brush marks they will transfer this texture to the leaf.
Also don't do large areas at one time since the sizing has a short working window. I mostly work on nomore than two foot long areas at a time.
It is time consuming but well worth the time spent.
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Sorry Jerry,
I forgot your question about frisket.
I wouldn't use it, it is not solvent proof. Fine line masking tape will work if you burnish it well on the design side.
The sizing may tend to pull to the tape side and leave a bulge though...as the tape is kinda thick.
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Welcome Jerry, killer job on both bikes. I used to live in Aschaffenburg, that was when I was in the army in the late 80's again welcome and hope to see more post from you.

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