how much would you charge?

[Soler]

to airbrush a graphic in a sub box? someone wants me to airbrush the tarantula soundstream logo on his box. I have no idea what to charge since I never really have made money airbrushing

[Bettyboop]

Is this a trademark? If so, I would avoid doing the job as the company that have the trademark may sue. Not sure about US law, but here in the UK, there is a possibility of suing even if it is not registered.

I would always avoid copying a design.

[Soler]

Originally Posted by Bettyboop

Is this a trademark? If so, I would avoid doing the job as the company that have the trademark may sue. Not sure about US law, but here in the UK, there is a possibility of suing even if it is not registered.

I would always avoid copying a design.

well it's promoting their product which is the subs he is using in the box

I think pricing is one of the hardest jobs an artist has to tackle..It's very confusing & all kinds of things need to be taken into account..Level of skill would be the most important..I think art is worth anything you ask for it, & as I'm raising my prices everyday I'm finding that out.. Ask him what he has in mind & what he wants to pay for it..You're going to get a real stupid look & a dumbfounded reaction, & he's going to tell you "well, I don't know??"--tell him when he has the slightest idea to come back to see you..If he knows you can do this job & he really wants it, he should strike a deal with you on the spot..this has worked for me many times & the price he sets may even suprise you. If he's way too low tell him you pass & negotiations continue..

[Bettyboop]

You will still need their permission... Otherwise, people will think that the box is by them too, this will lead to infringement.

[Soler]

Ill put a disclaimer on the box how about that
or i could sign it??

[Soler]

Originally Posted by darladidit

I think pricing is one of the hardest jobs an artist has to tackle..It's very confusing & all kinds of things need to be taken into account..Level of skill would be the most important..I think art is worth anything you ask for it, & as I'm raising my prices everyday I'm finding that out.. Ask him what he has in mind & what he wants to pay for it..You're going to get a real stupid look & a dumbfounded reaction, & he's going to tell you "well, I don't know??"--tell him when he has the slightest idea to come back to see you..If he knows you can do this job & he really wants it, he should strike a deal with you on the spot..this has worked for me many times & the price he sets may even suprise you. If he's way too low tell him you pass & negotiations continue..

awesome, thanks for the advice darla

[Bettyboop]

Just checked out the US TM registry, and if it is the Soundstream logo that has a circle around a spider with the words soundstream. Then it is protected for goods including:

Audio speakers; amplifiers; audio equipment for boats and vehicles, namely, stereos, speakers, amplifiers, equalizers, crossovers and speaker housings; speaker enclosures;

Plus loads more.

So, in essence, if you use there trademark in the course of trade on any items which are the same as, or similar to those for which it is trademarked, then you are infringing that trademark. This is also the case if you change the design slightly, even if it is not identical, but similar to, then this is also infringement.

Adding your sig will not make a difference - in fact, if you do choose to do the job, I would not sign it. I would check US law about adding a disclaimer, they may have some different case law, but I would have thought that if they allow this, then the likelihood is that the disclaimer would have to be larger than the logo.

It is up to you whether you choose to do the job or not, but I just thought I would draw your attention to this fact, as it may be influence whether you decide to take it on. It would not be nice to do the job and be sued for infringement without having had a heads up. They might never know, but then again they might, is it worth taking the risk?

[Soler]

Originally Posted by Bettyboop

Just checked out the US TM registry, and if it is the Soundstream logo that has a circle around a spider with the words soundstream. Then it is protected for goods including:

Audio speakers; amplifiers; audio equipment for boats and vehicles, namely, stereos, speakers, amplifiers, equalizers, crossovers and speaker housings; speaker enclosures;

Plus loads more.

So, in essence, if you use there trademark in the course of trade on any items which are the same as, or similar to those for which it is trademarked, then you are infringing that trademark. This is also the case if you change the design slightly, even if it is not identical, but similar to, then this is also infringement.

Adding your sig will not make a difference - in fact, if you do choose to do the job, I would not sign it. I would check US law about adding a disclaimer, they may have some different case law, but I would have thought that if they allow this, then the likelihood is that the disclaimer would have to be larger than the logo.

It is up to you whether you choose to do the job or not, but I just thought I would draw your attention to this fact, as it may be influence whether you decide to take it on. It would not be nice to do the job and be sued for infringement without having had a heads up. They might never know, but then again they might, is it worth taking the risk?

yeah good point thanks for looking that up
Ill tell him he needs to get permission from them first

Holy Moly!! Does this sound like big brother or what???--I can't tell you how many garages I've put the Mitchlen tire guy on, or Bairds bread--Huge jobs in the middle of nowhere!!--put the darn spider on your friends whatever & don't lose any sleep tonight..I'm not endorsing you to do anything illigal, but this is a personal favor for a friend (that's your story & you're sticking to it!!) & I would be very suprised if anyone came knocking on your door..for myself, if they do threaten to sue--what are they going to get??? You can't get blood out of a turnip!!--If Disney or any other large logo corperation was interested in 1 single poor starving artist doing a single job, every young mother in the entire world would be buried under some jail for POOH alone!! There's big fish out there that they're interested in selling goods by the kajillions--I personally don't think that lil' ol' me or Soler have anything to worry about unless he sets up a silkscreen..
Quick change is planning an article on this very subject I believe & maybe she can make it clearer to me, but in the meantime I have a New York Yankees logo to put on a batting helmet & I'm not going to worry about it..
I read somewhere that stress was a killer--I don't worry about very much anymore..it all seems to have a way of working out..

[Soler]

Originally Posted by darladidit

Holy Moly!! Does this sound like big brother or what???--I can't tell you how many garages I've put the Mitchlen tire guy on, or Bairds bread--Huge jobs in the middle of nowhere!!--put the darn spider on your friends whatever & don't lose any sleep tonight..I'm not endorsing you to do anything illigal, but this is a personal favor for a friend (that's your story & you're sticking to it!!) & I would be very suprised if anyone came knocking on your door..for myself, if they do threaten to sue--what are they going to get??? You can't get blood out of a turnip!!--If Disney or any other large logo corperation was interested in 1 single poor starving artist doing a single job, every young mother in the entire world would be buried under some jail for POOH alone!! There's big fish out there that they're interested in selling goods by the kajillions--I personally don't think that lil' ol' me or Soler have anything to worry about unless he sets up a silkscreen..
Quick change is planning an article on this very subject I believe & maybe she can make it clearer to me, but in the meantime I have a New York Yankees logo to put on a batting helmet & I'm not going to worry about it..
I read somewhere that stress was a killer--I don't worry about very much anymore..it all seems to have a way of working out..

yea i wasnt stressing it really but bettyboop put so much effort into that.

[Bettyboop]

Sorry, just thought it would be nice to have a heads up, that was all.

A Mitchlen tyre on a garage door is unlikely to infringe, because mitchlen is not registered for garage doors, nor is a garage door anything like the goods it is registered for. And pictures of Pooh would more likely come under copyright rather than a TM.

As I said, it is up to you whether you do it or not, it was just a heads up that was all.

That's really quite alright BettyBoop--it's always wise to be well educated & it's a very serious subject that bears some looking into..It's just that finding Solers spider would be like finding a needle in a haystack..I'm a woman who tries to be law abiding & yet I walk the edge, but living here in America, I have come to realize that if I get myself into most legal situations, if I can't talk my way out of it (I'm very good!!) well then I can certainly buy $$ my way out..That's the least pleasant way.. I think if by some strange fluke they caught Soler in the act they would serve him with a cease & desist & a slap on the wrist..what would they want with poor ol' Soler??

[Soler]

Originally Posted by darladidit

That's really quite alright BettyBoop--it's always wise to be well educated & it's a very serious subject that bears some looking into..It's just that finding Solers spider would be like finding a needle in a haystack..I'm a woman who tries to be law abiding & yet I walk the edge, but living here in America, I have come to realize that if I get myself into most legal situations, if I can't talk my way out of it (I'm very good!!) well then I can certainly buy $$ my way out..That's the least pleasant way.. I think if by some strange fluke they caught Soler in the act they would serve him with a cease & desist & a slap on the wrist..what would they want with poor ol' Soler??

yea i'm pretty poor.

on another note. this primer I have says if thinning is needed to spray use no more than 10 ounces of water per gallon of paint. thats about a 1:12 ratio. I don't think theres anywa my airbrush could handle that...should I thin it more of just use hairysticks?

Thin your paint to the consistancy of milk or heavy cream.. The thicker your paint, the more pressure it will take to blow through your brush..if this doesn't give good coverage you may have to 2nd. coat..

[redneck]

the Mormon church is upset because of a Utah coffee shop that sell tee shirt , check this link

http://www.kentucky.com/523/story/25069.html

[Soler]

yea but they are selling mass ammount of that, and getting into religion is different.

[redneck]

why is religion different, the mormon church got the right to get upset same as anybody else
I post this to point out that any one could come down on us because of their beliefs

[quickchange]

Originally Posted by darladidit

Holy Moly!! Does this sound like big brother or what???--I can't tell you how many garages I've put the Mitchlen tire guy on, or Bairds bread--Huge jobs in the middle of nowhere!!--put the darn spider on your friends whatever & don't lose any sleep tonight..I'm not endorsing you to do anything illigal, but this is a personal favor for a friend (that's your story & you're sticking to it!!) & I would be very suprised if anyone came knocking on your door..for myself, if they do threaten to sue--what are they going to get??? You can't get blood out of a turnip!!--If Disney or any other large logo corperation was interested in 1 single poor starving artist doing a single job, every young mother in the entire world would be buried under some jail for POOH alone!! There's big fish out there that they're interested in selling goods by the kajillions--I personally don't think that lil' ol' me or Soler have anything to worry about unless he sets up a silkscreen..
Quick change is planning an article on this very subject I believe & maybe she can make it clearer to me, but in the meantime I have a New York Yankees logo to put on a batting helmet & I'm not going to worry about it..
I read somewhere that stress was a killer--I don't worry about very much anymore..it all seems to have a way of working out..

Darla; The article is cancelled at this time. Maybe later on. (Hugs)

Bettyboop good point; however, Bottomline if it ain't yours the chance is present that you will get nailed. The decision is yours on the amount of liability you are opening yourself up for.

Redneck, again on point

[Bettyboop]

Quickchange, Shame about the article being canceled, I was looking forward to seeing the slight differences between US and EU law as far as copyright is concerned. If you do it later let me know, as I will be sure to get a copy.

[mnormington]

Originally Posted by Soler

to airbrush a graphic in a sub box? someone wants me to airbrush the tarantula soundstream logo on his box. I have no idea what to charge since I never really have made money airbrushing

I always try to figure out how much it will cost in materials, etc, and charge $20 an hour (or whatever you think your time is worth). Figure that out and lay it on them. If they think that's high then maybe you want to come down, maybe not, but who wants to work for free or lose money on a project? Your talent will pull you through or it won't, that's how I look at it.

Estimating jobs isn't easy no matter what line of work you're in, am I right?