Great painting !

[Rick Bovill]

Hey guys, I’ve been inactive around here for the last couple of weeks due to a few little things bugging me on the forums.

I don’t mean to cause any offence to anyone with this post.
But I am seeing a pattern emerging on these forums that is quite scary !

The lack of constructive criticism and advice.

there’s allot of people submitting artwork on these forums looking for advice of how to improve and get better but alot of the replies simple say ' that’s fantastic' when really the work could benefit from some advice and criticism form a seasoned artist.

I don’t want to cause a fight, but i think people should think a bit harder about their replies before they hit submit, and try to give the original poster a piece of their mind and experience.

I’m not asking you all to turn into airbrush Nazi’s but just try not to post pointless replies !

I for one would love some of the expert members to crit my work, and offer some advice and oppinions.

Rick

[snazee_d]

Hi rick i do have to agree with you.
When i post something i always ask for an honest opinion, that is the only way i will learn, is if someone with esperience tells me where i can improve.

Very valid point


It's your forum as members you need to run it, fashion it as you wish.


My only request is info of an advertising nature not be posted.

have fun

[ljcoz]

thank you!!!!! it is very tiring to see someone say, that looks great when it really looks ragged. understandably, there are alot of different skill levels on this board. not everyone is pro caliber, and thank god for that. lol. some people may just be looking for an atta boy. which does noone any good. not bashing just pointing out the obvious, or not so obvious, st5ong points and weak points of a piece. you know the ld saying.... you can rub it, but you cant pollish a tu#d. LJ

[KwitcherBitchin]

Thank You again Rick, I feel the same way about the constructive criticism. I'm still new and started on this forum to Learn and gain Knowledge from all the experienced members just as you mentioned. So please, if anyone on here sees me putting out some "sub-standard" work, let me know.
One thing I don't like though, I have seen on other forums where someone put something out that did not look good and was told that...which was fine......but the critic did not give any advise for the individual to correct their mistakes. I was an instructor for 5 years (not ABing LOL) but anyways, when you point out the bad you have to give the individual areas to improve on. But if you tell them great work, they think it's great and may stay at that level and not try to improve.
On the "flip" side of this, there are many artists on here that put out amazing/breathtaking work and the only thing I can think of is "great job" . That is the level that I want to get to and will not be able to get there without the help and experience of the members of this forum "old and new". I always try to learn from may mistakes, and most importantly learn from others whenever possible...........Again, nice thread Rick...............................Kwit

[redneck]

Originally Posted by KwitcherBitchin

Thank You again Rick, I feel the same way about the constructive criticism. I'm still new and started on this forum to Learn and gain Knowledge from all the experienced members just as you mentioned. So please, if anyone on here sees me putting out some "sub-standard" work, let me know.
One thing I don't like though, I have seen on other forums where someone put something out that did not look good and was told that...which was fine......LOL) but anyways, when you point out the bad you have to give the individual areas to improve on. But if you tell them great work, they think it's great and may stay at that level and not try to improve.
On the "flip" side of this, there are many artists on here that put out amazing/breathtaking work and the only thing I can think of is "great job" . That is the level that I want to get to and will not be able to get there without the help and experience of the members of this forum "old and new". I always try to learn from may mistakes, and most importantly learn from others whenever possible...........Again, nice thread Rick...............................Kwit

but the critic did not give any advise for the individual to correct their mistakes.
this is a good point,being able to teach someone how to correct a happy acciderent will help more than anything else

[redneck]

kwit, did your instuction job include art [painting]

[Rick Bovill]

Originally Posted by bray hampton

a happy accident

Bob Ross?

Originally Posted by KwitcherBitchin

But if you tell them great work, they think it's great and may stay at that level and not try to improve.

this is exactly my point

again i mean no offense to any of the new guys on these forums. but if we really want to help people learn this art we really need to offer some constructive advice

i have seem some members on here posting their work over a long long period of time. and never seem to improve, now this could be down to a genuine lack of grasp or skill - nothing that cant be ironed out with practice. but i think this is down to people trying to butter up their comments and telling them its great.

and remember theres a fine border between constructive criticism and plain criticism. - a fine border but its there. only make comments if you can back them up.

thanks for listening folks.

[mayhem]

me for one, I will try to help If I can, but If I dont know how to help someone improve I wont give wrong advice. but if I do see an improvement from there last couple post then I tell them "good job" or "lookin good''. somtimes people just need a confidence boost to help them over a lil hump. I too want everyones opinion , we are all here for the same reason ! to learn and improve our skills.. even if im posting a job I got paid for and someones see's where theres room for improvement or even a tech they use I can always apply it to the next project !

lol but im surely not goin to tell some of the big dogs on here how to improve when im NO WHERE near the skill level they are

so they get the "breath taking" or speechless" lol

so yes lets help each other accomplish what we come here for ,
to have fun and learn !!!
"and admire some of the pro's"

[grinnen30]

I agree with Mayhem...I am not skilled enough to know better, and sometimes feel that my critiques are ill founded...or that I can't provide a solution. I am still a true beginner, but I do want to let people know that I am admiring their work. I would love criticism on my own, that is the only way to get better, but other than that...Looking good

[KwitcherBitchin]

Originally Posted by bray hampton

kwit, did your instuction job include art [painting]

No Bray, I was a civilian instructor for the Military teaching soldiers how to use and operate "heavy equipment", so to say. And as teaching the newer instructors or anyone in general, you have to let them know what they did wrong and how to correct it. LOL , they already know from experience what/ how they just went wrong. Just tell/suggest how they can improve it. Another thing on this though, you also need to give them the "strong" points of what they need to "maintain" (keep up) as we say for the next time. To many constaint "weak" points will drive someone to quit posting or even give up the art altogether, which isn't wanted.
Also, another very key point is the individual themselves that's posting. Don't post asking for the advice or comments (good or bad) that may come up unless your are ready for the answers given. I say this because I was on another forum and a member (young kid, 14 I think) had only airbrushed a couple of t-shirts (needed practise) and was talking about airbrushing a friends car next. The members suggested to practise on metal, right paints etc....but the kid ended up getting upset, probably crying on the other side of the monitor, because they told him to hold off and practise some more before trying it (since it wasn't his car he might mess up).
Anyways, I'll stop my rambling.......................................... .....Kwit

[redneck]

Originally Posted by Rick Bovill

this is exactly my point

again i mean no offense to any of the new guys on these forums. but if we really want to help people learn this art we really need to offer some constructive advice

i have seem some members on here posting their work over a long long period of time. and never seem to improve, now this could be down to a genuine lack of grasp or skill - nothing that cant be ironed out with practice. but i think this is down to people trying to butter up their comments and telling them its great.

and remember theres a fine border between constructive criticism and plain criticism. - a fine border but its there. only make comments if you can back them up.

thanks for listening folks.

Bob Ross?

yes you are right

[redneck]

Originally Posted by KwitcherBitchin

No Bray, And as teaching the newer instructors or anyone in general, you have to let them know what they did wrong and how to correct it. LOL , they already know from experience what/ how they just went wrong. Just tell/suggest how they can improve it. Another thing on this though, you also need to give them the "strong" points of what they need to "maintain" (keep up) as we say for the next time. To many constaint "weak" points will drive someone to quit posting or even give up the art altogether, which isn't wanted.
Also, another very key point is the individual themselves that's posting. Don't post asking for the advice or comments (good or bad) that may come up unless your are ready for the answers given. I say this because I was on another forum and a member (young kid, 14 I think) had only airbrushed a couple of t-shirts (needed practise) and was talking about airbrushing a friends car next. The members suggested to practise on metal, right paints etc....but the kid ended up getting upset, probably crying on the other side of the monitor, because they told him to hold off and practise some more before trying it (since it wasn't his car he might mess up).
Anyways, I'll stop my rambling.......................................... .....Kwit

I was a civilian instructor for the Military teaching soldiers how to use and operate "heavy equipment", so to say.

I may be mistaker but I think that I got bad memory
I ask the same ? about teaching instruction before ,do you teach heavy equip. operator in the classroom or hands-on, forgive me if I ask this ? before too.

[KwitcherBitchin]

I taught both, classroom and the "hands-on. FYI, here's the vehicle http://www.airbrushtechnique.com/for...5719#post55719...........Kwit

[witchybronco]

all of the above, and I may be guilty.
I'm still learning too. I do what one said, look back at previuos pics to see if there is an improvement.
I go by first thought, but don't like to hurt folks feelings, and don't want the person to feel ignored. So I go by what my art teacher (RIP) in high school did to me for 4 years~ 'looks good but~' if I have a suggestion, i post, if not, i don't.

but when those I think are pro, post a pic, all I can say is wow!

[StouffvilleMike]

I would suggest that if you are looking for constructive criticism, you simply ask for it. If you are posting just to show what you have accomplished, because you are proud of it, then you shouldn't have to sit and read your stuff get picked apart.. well meaning or not.

I'm on another art site (for my sketching) and the rule there is you must state that you want constructive crit or not. Saves feelings from getting hurt.

[aixguy]

very good point!

[waycool]

Hi everyone,
I am still very green on my Ab, but I have posted the first two projects I have completed. The first everyone told me it was nice, and I am grateful for that ,Its was mostly stencil work. The second they gave me some encouragements and some helpful suggestions. I think if anyone has a criticism they should also give suggestions on how to rectify the criticism. I think most people want to know what they did wrong as well as some positive feed back.

Thanks,
Waycool

post it here than waycool
http://www.airbrushtechnique.com/for...play.php?f=371

[zero420]

Originally Posted by Rick Bovill

Bob Ross?




this is exactly my point

again i mean no offense to any of the new guys on these forums. but if we really want to help people learn this art we really need to offer some constructive advice

i have seem some members on here posting their work over a long long period of time. and never seem to improve, now this could be down to a genuine lack of grasp or skill - nothing that cant be ironed out with practice. but i think this is down to people trying to butter up their comments and telling them its great.

and remember theres a fine border between constructive criticism and plain criticism. - a fine border but its there. only make comments if you can back them up.

thanks for listening folks.

i can agree with everything you just said here because you are describeing me 100% and believe me im not getting offended at all i myself started airbrushing with no art expirience so its a little harder for me and that why i love to post up here and as many know i post everything i work on and its for that reason to know what step to take next so that one day i can do what the bovills ,frensojohns ,darlas and the donjohnson can do
just my 2 cents

zero420

[yardartnut]

I try to go by the posters comment or thread topic...If there is a 'what do you think?' or ? of their work and its falls in my area of knowledge I will always try to post a helpful answer, but on the other hand if Im not aware of the media or tech....I do post a nice job /or work.....this may be wrong to some here but, I just feel that its hard enough for NBs to get the air and paint to even come out, much less get an image we all can make out. Just a small word of encouagement....I have memberships in many other boards, and rarely go by them anymore due to the uglyness that is allowed to be posted, one thing Dons will not tolerate.....
I agree with ....if you ask for your work to be critiqued..be prepared to get what you asked for, because here....the best of the best hang out....
I rarely even post on threads like this...I usually get taken wrong....also known as redneck expression...ahahah I just made up a new slogan!!!!!!! someone please do a t-shirt.......must have a redneck woman on it stating her opinion...

[rowie]

hehe, you are so precious deb.

"redneck expression" what a scream

rowie

[quickchange]

Originally Posted by Rick Bovill

Hey guys, I’ve been inactive around here for the last couple of weeks due to a few little things bugging me on the forums.

I don’t mean to cause any offence to anyone with this post.
But I am seeing a pattern emerging on these forums that is quite scary !

The lack of constructive criticism and advice.

there’s allot of people submitting artwork on these forums looking for advice of how to improve and get better but alot of the replies simple say ' that’s fantastic' when really the work could benefit from some advice and criticism form a seasoned artist.

I don’t want to cause a fight, but i think people should think a bit harder about their replies before they hit submit, and try to give the original poster a piece of their mind and experience.

I’m not asking you all to turn into airbrush Nazi’s but just try not to post pointless replies !

I for one would love some of the expert members to crit my work, and offer some advice and oppinions.

Rick

Rick I agree that when a critque is asked for and you just get wow, great, etc. it is nice to hear but if you are looking for more it can be a bummer.
Second I believe some people just don't feel comfortable critiquing as they feel they are not experienced enough.
Third you mentioned "expert members" to crit. (*my opinion, if I airbrush for another 30 years I will not consider myself an expert)
Fourth Everyone has opinions. LOL (won't go there with the saying) I think asking for opinions "with suggestions" on how to improve would be GREAT!
I am in.. LOOK out!
**** He,heheheheheh, better go ask Don to give me another screen name so you all will still talke to me. **** JUST KIDDING

Tell you what, you post em and I will tell you what I think. If you really want to chew it up finer, each time someone posts for a crit. they should note their experience level (in years) Just feel this would help with not hitting to hard on a newbie.

[fresnojohns]

I agree with everyone here as each person has something important to say.
All I can say is usually or not even if someone post in another area, someone will usually give some advice such as " you could have done this to that or add this or taken it away and you nailed it"
And the way I see it is that any of us here started out the same way. Some are almost 100% self taught on their own, some have art degrees, and some have came to airbrushing from other types of areas related. I came from the
airline painting and auto painting trades. Where else can you operate something where humidity, dirt, static, your mood, lighting, reference material,
to heavy sketch marks, eraser mistakes, leaking paint jars, etc.......play
such an important role in how "anything" will turn out. We put up with all this
everytime we get ready to paint.
After all we are here to improve our skills. Everyone learns