Arctic Cat

[BudMan]

My Snow needs work, I am sure it's like painting clouds but can't paint them either.

http://home.comcast.net/~onebaddude/PICT0655.JPG

[egneg]

Snowmobiles have changed a bit since I lived in the great white north. Great detail for the size!

[BudMan]

Thanks ,It's a 2003 700 the 2007s just came out and all brands look crazy to me. I have been trying to size everything to fit on t-shirts eventually when I inprove.


http://home.comcast.net/~onebaddude/PICT0653.JPG

[BudMan]

I finished it but have a couple questions,I am using Doc Martin's Ready Tex on t-squares.The lighter colors like yellow and orange I have a hard time fine lining .When I am laying down the paint it kinda spreads and does not leave the crisp lines I get with black paint.Is there an answer to this. second is there a good resource for painting snow. I put a link to finished picture this way you can blow up bigger thanks.

http://home.comcast.net/~onebaddude/PICT0666.JPG

[egneg]

Different colors will require different air pressure. The blacks and whites tend to be thicker so you may need to lower the air pressure for other colors - hope this makes sense

[Kevin Mayes]

Snow is a challenge since it is basically white. In sunny conditions the snow is glaring white. The shadows on snow are generally blue. To deepen the shadow do not use black! Instead use a neutral grey (neutral grey #5 usually is a good point to start at) with the blue and for the deepest part of the shadow use paynes grey or neutral grey #7 or #8. If the sky is overcast or cloudy then go more to the grey side with a hint of blue. Night scenes are generally overall blue with darker greys and possibly a hint of violet. Lights on snow in a night scene are usally done with white mixed with a tiny touch of warm yellow, just enough to tint the white so it isn't stark white with the yellow increased as you get closer to the source of the light. Check out some of the sites for photographers and study some of the work they do and you will get the idea. It's all a matter of how YOU see it. Experiment with it and you will find what works for you and best resembles what you see in your minds eye. Whew! Hope this helps you out some! Got a little long-winded. This is how I approach this subject, hope it works for you.

[army]

Hey Kevin, glad you posted that, not to steal this thread but when you say neutral gray #5, I now have golden Fluids just wondering would that be an equivalent amount of white and black. They do have Paynes grey but I haven't seen any numbered greys. I have noticed posts somewhere else about the different # greys. Forgot to look that up, maybe you can shed some light on the subject.

Thanks

[army]

I think I figured it out, #5 grey refers to a value of 5 on the grey scale which would be 50% black where a value of 1 would be 10 % black and so on.
Please correct me if I am wrong
Thanks

[Kevin Mayes]

You got it. You can mix your own rather easily. If you wish to make the grey warm add a touch of orange. If you wish to have a cool grey add blue. For your black I would recommend using mars black since it is a more neutral black. A good thing to do is to make a card with 10 squares on it and mark each like this: white, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, Black. Paint each the value marked. This is a great tool to refer to when you need to make more paint or to determine the value of an article you are painting. Hope you find this helpful.

[aixguy]

Now for the silly question.. what is the easiest way to messure the paint if you want to mix 1/4 oz of #4.. sorry, just have a lot of trouble when it comes to meassuring small amounts of paint. I guess by the drop is about as accurate as one could get?

[Kevin Mayes]

Not a silly question at all. Mixing 1/4 Oz. of paint to make a value of 10% grey take the number of drops it would take to equal 1/4 Oz. and divide by 10. This will give you the number of drops of black to add to your cup leaving the 90% number of drops that would be white. You would use the same formula for the other values.

[BudMan]

Thank you Egneg and Kevin First off Less pressure for lighter colors.I guess I will have to do a couple practice sheets to see my limitations. Next thanks for the very detailed explanation .I did not notice the the the very slight tinge of blue and purple in the snow before. I have many pictures in archives, am not a photographer but like the snow.And sure as shit I could see blue in the snow during the daytime and a purple at night time. and It looks like it's going to prove very difficult to match. I know the smart thing to do now is blow a day shooting samples and taking notes.That's where the problem comes I don't always do the smart thing.Kevin you have a very good eye to tell I used black and not gray for snowmobile shadow and I contemplated one of the grays I mixed up .so I guessed wrong .
Thanks Again, Buddy