hey fresno!

[derkdaigler]

or to any one so inclined to ansewer to these few simple pinstriping questions. the book i read was a wonderful and informative book . how ever it did not cover to much on the application of the paint and the mechanics of each brush and how they lay the paint down . i was wondering if you or someone could kinda give me a simple explanation or some where i might find one. just kinda curious on the true mechanics of it . i have always painted in the remodeling business i used to do so im some what familiar with basic brush mechanics . just want some insight thanks in advance.

[theairbrushguy]

Hey now Derk. I'm no striper by any stretch but got enough to get by. so here goes. couple of quickies not knowing where you are at on this.
Asuming that your thumb is on the outside of the brush, it will be on the side of the flat part of the brush wrap. thats makes the point in the fibers. the higher the number the thicker the paint line. 0000 small, 0 guite a bit larger. Also, the thicker the paint, the thinner the line. and vice versa. dont know where you are at so keep the questions coming.
TABG

Airpower Art Studio

[derkdaigler]

well that ansewered a lot of my questions for instance i had no idea that the thicker the paint the thinner the line and vice versa. but what i really want to know is / is it like a regular paint brush in the fact that ( when turn edge ways it makes the thin line which i gathered . but the part thats laying the paint is the very tip of the brisle i presume? not the belly

[fresnojohns]

Derk,
You know so many books leave stuff out. This if I can tell you is important.
You got your brush like TABG said to do. Thumb against the flat side. Unless
you are left handed. The belly is down on the surface.Paint will flow from the heel where its all wraped together. All the way to the point.

Can you only get fine lines from the point only???
Not always. It depends how much of the brush is on the surface also.
And another very important thing that will give you fits.........How much
hand pressure are you putting on the brush on the surface?????????
Yes you can get hair lines (hard for this guy) by just pulling the brush and
painting from the tip. But you can get alittle better control using the whole brush. I know guys that pull straight lines sticky???????? They load the brush up without thinning and can pull super thin lines. They claim the thicker the paint it will bite the surface better as there is no reducer involved. I will use alittle reducer. In Az its to hot got to thin alittle. If paint is too thin you can't
control it from brush good. And it will dry transparent. And it won't stick as good.

These brushes are squirrel hair. Some say camel hair. Not so. Also you will find every brush you buy has its own personality. They are all wound by hand.
To turn corners or do designs you need to slightly raise brush and rotate it.
Think of it as doing circles. Also even different mack brushes act different. The Mack Fast lite has longer hairs more like a knife. Used for straight line work. It rocks but is like 22 bucks for one brush.

I hope this helps alittle.
Fresno

Drop me a line anytime................All of you guys I am glad to help out.

[ghooptie]

Thank you Pat and Fresnojohns for the info you have given Derk, I am intrested in learning pinstripping and this was some good info. Pinstripping is very intemdating to me, I think it is an incredible art, the control level and mirror image work that you guys do is unreall. Again thanks and when I get a brush, I will be bugg'n you with questions........LOL....

Bill

[fresnojohns]

Bill,
Its like everything else. Its practice. I will
help anyway I can. Its enjoyable to do like airbrushing.
Fresnojohns

[derkdaigler]

thanks fresno that was the kind of ansewer i needed . im finding that is does have a personality all its own and can be a butt hole when its paint isnt mixed correctly lol. but one more thing . whats your preference on paint i have been using hok urethane lettering enamel because its readily available . i have read that one shot is the best but each has its own characteristics of good and bad. what is your take on paints if you dont mind ?

[fresnojohns]

Derk,
I always say to get One Shot Light Blue. Only because its easy to wipe
off. Light blue also isn't as messy to work with to practice with such as
reds, purples, browns and black and white. My preference only.
Thing is light blue is cheaper. Or even get Rustoleum at home



depot. Make sure its oil base only. HOK is good stuff but I only use it if my work needs to be cleared. I never clear over OneShot. Its an oil based paint.

A quarter ounce of one shot lt. blue is maybe 6 bucks. Also HOK is too hard
on brushes cleaning with gun cleaner, etc.

If possible get quarter ounce light blue one shot or any oil base paint.
gallon or quart of mineral spirits.........paint thinner
get some paint pallets make your own
practice on whatever you like
I use oven burner covers, just like messing with a auto surface
get some mineral oil to coat brushes after cleaning them
plastic lid covers like coffee can lids are cool for paint pallets

Also to practice with oil base paints you have enough time to really work with them. You don't like it.............Wipe it off no problem
Hope this helps.
Fresnojohns

[derkdaigler]

thanks fresno for all your help . i didnt realize hok cleaner would be harder on my brush . any how . do you have to clear over a pinstripe job or is i hard enough by itself ? last question and ill quit with it lol. .................i think.......

[fresnojohns]

Derk,
Ask away Brother
I myself prefer not to put any clear over OneShot. Its oil base
and it takes along time to finally cure. There is also a hardner for One Shot,
but I still use it as a last step of a paint job. The final touch.

But if you get to the point and you want to use HOK, dig this.........HOK
will dry and you can't even feel it hardly at all. So when clear goes over it there is no edge. One Shot is just a thicker paint. But almost 90 per cent of all signpainter and pinstripers use it. A very old brand.
Thanks,
Fresnojohns

[patoche]

Hi freshno

I've done a pinstriping job over a full bike with Silver HOK paint because i had to add a airbrush job , so i had to clear it to protect the base and pinstriping before to airbrush the design.
My problem is that i've used HOK silver pinstriping paint ! The customer now ask me to add pinstriping with the same silver colour over the bike frame withch is already painted and cleared.
I've gone to my french pinstriping suplier but there is no silver paint 1 shoot.

My question is : Can i use HOK pinstriping silver paint with hardener ? Is the hardener will give a good resistant to the paint ? Can i swipe off the paint mixed with hardener if i do a brush mistake ?

thanks

pat

[fresnojohns]

Pat,
The way I have understood HOK pinstriping paints
is that if you want to put as the final product on top
of a paint job, on top of clear you need to put hardener
in it. What it does is help it bite the surface better.
All I know is you still need to catch any mistake before
it sets up just like you would using it without the hardener.
If you can , do a test on some other paint job before you tackle
the frame you did with all the hours of work you put in it. And also
I would let customer know that since there is no clear over the
new HOK that you don't know how long it will last too. I tried using it
over powder coated stuff and alsways hasd a hard time making it stick.
Maybe since it isn't powder coated it will stick better.
Hope this helps,
Fresnojohns

[theairbrushguy]

Hey now. I have used the HOK with the hardener and it does last similiar the the one shot if mixed properly. thats the key. Pre mix the paint and get it to the right consistancy. Its real thick and dries pretty fast so have a good plan. Stripe away!!!!
TABG

Airpower Art Studio

[derkdaigler]

dude i posted a pretty helpful thread with all my nosiness lol thanks a TON fresno !!!!