911

[xzotic ink]

hi don,,i think we need a 911 section ,,because i have an emergency and i want people to notice it right away,,JUST A THOUGHT,,,so heres my 911,

some reason i cant seem to push my needle threw my iwata eclipse,,its so tight,,i used the lubricant made for ab,,,is it my grip,,i dont use the back of the gun tail,,it get heavy on the hand,,,so im wondering if im bending it now,,IS THIS POSSIBLE,,its also messing with my spraying,,the part behind the trigger,,is staying back,,,not snapping back,,and yes i cleaned it,and it lubricated it ,,,,BUT ITS STILL doing that,,is it TIME FOR A NEW AIRBRUSH?? because christmas is here and i want to get my list straight,,,thanks,,

[xzotic ink]

also,,,i cleaned that black knob that filters my sil 50,,its a piece of cotton,,now the cotton is so thin,,should i order another one

[oats]

Nat- That perticular gun has a cone for a nozzle- if it gets out of line it will bind the needle.
loosen up the cap and bring the needle in slowly then tighten the cap back up- It should center itself.

[brushbyair]

"X", I have had this problem before, can you pull the needle out of the body, probably not, whati I had to do was carefully grab the tail end of the needle with a pair of pliers and get the needle out, then soak the body in AB cleaner, if you have an old needle, run it back and forth through the body until it goes through smoothly(be careful not to let the trigger fall out of the body) sometimes old paint dries up between uses and causes this. HOPE THIS HELPS!!!

[fontgeek]

A couple words of warning.
First, when you force a part, such as the needle, out of the airbrush, you risk doing damage to more than just the part itself.
In the case of the Eclipse, you risk scoring the collar that acts as a seal or packing, and because the Eclipse doesn't use packing, you are more or less doing permenant damage to the airbrush. The area that acts as a seal to keep the paint from flowing back into the handle area is part of the airbrush body itself, so when you gouge or scratch a trench through it by pulling a damaged or crusty needle through it, you can't replace that seal.

In answer to your question about not using the handle, and whether you could bend the needle and have it cause problems, the answer is yes. By dropping or banging your airbrush against something or someone, you can bend not only the needle but the needle chuck as well, and if that gets bent or pushed out of it's normal alignment, it can also do permenant damage to your airbrush.

Is your airbrush clean?

You might try removing the front end of the brush, and pull the needle out from the front rather than the back end.

If and when you get the needle out of the brush, place it on a hard, flat surface, and try rolling it. Does it roll smoothly?

Take a careful look at the needle chuck too, make sure it is straight and in good shape, check the runnel or groove in the bottom of it, make sure it is clean, clear, and smooth. Any obstructions can keep your airbrush from performing properly.

Do a careful inspection in the trigger area of your brush. If it is crusty with paint, that would explain your needle and trigger not going forward like they should. If that is the case, put some laquer thinner in the bowl or reservoir, and let it soak for a while. Anything you can clean off the needle means there is that much less to do damage during the removal of the needle itself from the airbrush.

Only submerge your airbrush body as an absolute last resort, and if you have to do that, remove the airvalve first.
When you submerge your airbrush body, you subject it to exposure to paints, solvents, debris, etc., into areas that were NEVER meant to be exposed to those things. The paint or debris you see floating or swirling around in your solvents goes into the airvalve, the trigger piston and seal, the needle chuck area, etc. None of these areas was ever meant to be exposed to that stuff, and when you take your brush out of that solvent, that junk in the solvent settles and clings in all those hard to get to areas. Many of the seals an packing can be damaged or destroyed by the use of some solvents.
So again, only submerge your airbrush as an abolute last resort, and remove the airvalve before you do it.

NEVER use ammonia or ammonia based products, such as window cleaners, in your brush. Ammonia is an corrosive, and even though the percentage of ammonia is low in the window cleaners, even that little bit will age your airbrush prematurely. If your airbrush has a scratch or damage to it, the damage done by the ammonia will be even more severe.

[xzotic ink]

i do ab cleaner,,small bottle i just purchased,,i hope that works,,i thought it was because im gripping the gun so hard its causing a slight bend in the tail piece

[Diaz Dezine]

I bought myself a small kit for cleaning my AB's out from an airbrush supplier awhile ago and I don't know what I would do with out it in times like these.
What fontgeek says to do is pretty much what I would do but since I use solvent based paints I use lacquer thinner, just use what is recommended for the type of paint you use.
I submerge the front of the AB only up to the wear the paint goes through and I do not soak it for more than 30 mins. Then I take one of the tubular like cleaning brushes and run it through the AB body and FREAK OUT with all the paint that comes out of it! I lube it up a bit and she is good to go.
I have bent needles before, in the tail piece what you described, but was able to repair them myself. Sounds like you need to clean more often than you are used to.
The cleaning brushes I believe you can find in Dixies AB supplies or maybe at an automotive paint store.
Good luck Nat and hope this helps.
DIAZ

[xzotic ink]

Originally Posted by fontgeek

A couple words of warning.
First, when you force a part, such as the needle, out of the airbrush, you risk doing damage to more than just the part itself.
In the case of the Eclipse, you risk scoring the collar that acts as a seal or packing, and because the Eclipse doesn't use packing, you are more or less doing permenant damage to the airbrush. The area that acts as a seal to keep the paint from flowing back into the handle area is part of the airbrush body itself, so when you gouge or scratch a trench through it by pulling a damaged or crusty needle through it, you can't replace that seal.

In answer to your question about not using the handle, and whether you could bend the needle and have it cause problems, the answer is yes. By dropping or banging your airbrush against something or someone, you can bend not only the needle but the needle chuck as well, and if that gets bent or pushed out of it's normal alignment, it can also do permenant damage to your airbrush.

Is your airbrush clean?

You might try removing the front end of the brush, and pull the needle out from the front rather than the back end.

If and when you get the needle out of the brush, place it on a hard, flat surface, and try rolling it. Does it roll smoothly?

Take a careful look at the needle chuck too, make sure it is straight and in good shape, check the runnel or groove in the bottom of it, make sure it is clean, clear, and smooth. Any obstructions can keep your airbrush from performing properly.

Do a careful inspection in the trigger area of your brush. If it is crusty with paint, that would explain your needle and trigger not going forward like they should. If that is the case, put some laquer thinner in the bowl or reservoir, and let it soak for a while. Anything you can clean off the needle means there is that much less to do damage during the removal of the needle itself from the airbrush.

Only submerge your airbrush body as an absolute last resort, and if you have to do that, remove the airvalve first.
When you submerge your airbrush body, you subject it to exposure to paints, solvents, debris, etc., into areas that were NEVER meant to be exposed to those things. The paint or debris you see floating or swirling around in your solvents goes into the airvalve, the trigger piston and seal, the needle chuck area, etc. None of these areas was ever meant to be exposed to that stuff, and when you take your brush out of that solvent, that junk in the solvent settles and clings in all those hard to get to areas. Many of the seals an packing can be damaged or destroyed by the use of some solvents.
So again, only submerge your airbrush as an abolute last resort, and remove the airvalve before you do it.

NEVER use ammonia or ammonia based products, such as window cleaners, in your brush. Ammonia is an corrosive, and even though the percentage of ammonia is low in the window cleaners, even that little bit will age your airbrush prematurely. If your airbrush has a scratch or damage to it, the damage done by the ammonia will be even more severe.

THANKS FONT FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN EACH AREA FOR ME,,ILL BE BACK WITH RESULTS

[xzotic ink]

OKAY heres whats going on,,i took the trigger out,,bought the ab cleaner by dr martins,,smell just like amonia,,real strong smell,,,i also took out the trigger button,,,and the sides of the trigger ,,not the hole part,,were caked GRAY,,the button it self inside the hole had gray as well,,,paint must of build up in this area that im never cleaning,,i only clean the front ,,never where the trigger is,,i always look straight threw to the other end and its whistle clean,,

i poured the cleaner in there,,and got a wire brush,,one for teeth,,and had to work it out,,my god,,it was strong and thick,,,now the guns needle can go in easily,,is this an area i should be maintaining,,THANKS FOR THE EMERGENCY ROOM,,,thanks thanks so so much,,,THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I JUST WANT THE ANSWER NOW,,BEFORE THE STORES CLOSE,,

thanks all,,thanks don for having a er room,,,

"er room'

It was your idea and a good one at that THANKS

[KDSilverBrush]

Glad ya got it worked out Xzotic.

[Diaz Dezine]

WOOHOO!!!

[xzotic ink]

im asking for christmas a good brush cleaner!!

[fontgeek]

Nat, give the airbrush and tools you used a good thorough rinsing, that cleaner may very well have had ammonia in it, it should be listed in their ingredients. If it does have ammonia, then you need to find a different cleaner.

If your airbrush is working right, you shouldn't be getting paint back in the trigger area. Shy of someone spraying you and your brush down with paint, it would come from one of two or three sources; 1> if you use an gravity feed airbrush, and you are wild in your motions when you paint, and I mean wild enough that you slosh paint back into the trigger area, or 2> you are getting paint coming back through your that packing area your needle passes through, if that is the case with your eclipse, then you will have this problem for as log as you own this brush, or 3> you keep your brushes in holders directly under the area you paint, and the paint inside the brush is the fallout of your normal spraying routine.

If your paint contamination is from sloshing or fallout, then the solution is simple and probably free, if it is because paint is leaking back past the needle, then as I said, you are stuck with the problem until you replace the brush.

If it is coming back past the needle, then it is probably from forcing the needle back through the opening when it was bent or crusty with paint. Both circumstances ream the hole when you force the needle back through. That is why the use of pliers or force is a really bad idea.
Following a good cleaning routine after every day's painting, or when ever you are going to stop for extended periods of time, is a really good idea.
Dump the Paint, Wipe Clean, RInse Clean, Backflush, Pump the Needle Clean, Spray Clean, then you can pull the needle and wipe it down, then clean the needle cap and nozzle cap, use a Qtip and toothpick to clean the trough and reservoir, Wipe the Needle, then give the exterior a good cleaning and inspection before you reassemble your brush and spray straight water through it before packing it away.

[xzotic ink]

FONT YOUR JUST FULL OF SUCH GREAT INFO,,YOUR BETTER THAN THE INTERNET IM PRINTING THE INFO OUT,,to add to my collections of GREAT information lists from fontgeek,,lol,,i have a whole stack going on ya info already,,you getting a personal file in my book,,,THANKS FONT,,THANKS ALL