Thread: water born paints ....creating illusions

Just a reminder about Createx water born paints. I have seen alot of postings here from paople saying that they are going to use Createx paints ,because they are worried about the harmful affects of solvent based paints. They go on to say that they will be painting in the basement,or inside their home. Just to let you know. Whatever type of paint yuou are using,you really need adequate vetilation regardless. Don't let the fact that because Createx or other water born paints, will not harm you. Anything that is airborn will get into your lungs ,digestive system,or other parts of your respiratory system . Please be careful ,and don't take water born paints for granted. Although not as harmful, it could be worse. Just in the fact that you don't take as much care to protect yourself. We all want to live a long life,so take care of yourself,and always wear breathing apparatus,or have very good ventilation.

Thanks Shovel very good post

if you can paint by a window, and are a little handy with your hands and tools, try an build an exhaust fan that will fit in the partially opened window. place the fan in the window, then either build or use cardboard to cover the opening on each side of the fan...be sure it is blowing out. if that is not practical, build a small box with the fan in it, and use dryer duct work to channel the air to the window....enclosing both sides of the duct work at the window. the exhaust fans can be found at most builder supply houses like lowes or homedepot.....hope this helps a bit or gives you ideas on how to remove the fumes....
chuck

Hey satch, I just recieved a 24 " brand new range vent hood off of ebay. It works very nice,and is very quiet. Iused a dryer vent hose (4") ,and hooked it up.Throught the wall I used the dryer vent kit That they sell for $4.99 at the hardware store. I guess it goes with the other Mcyver stuff I made for the shop. My air storage tank is a couple of pieces of 4" pvc pipe. (hey its good for 160 psi. I only use 40 psi mAX. Drilled and tapped one end and gorilla glue. 5 months no problemo. Hope this helps.

Actually that is a good story and good info!

I was just passing by and read your last reply about rerouting the fumes to your furnace and useing the furnace to filter the air. NOT a good idea, eventhough your useing water based paint i would assume it still has a flash point at which it will ignite depending on consentrations. I would vent the fumes out a window with a fan as somebody else had suggested. Think safety. My 2 cents.

ED

AAHHH ok now I get it. When I read your post I saw furnace/filter and assumed you were going to vent thru the furnace. Is there no feasible way to get that exhaust out of the room? If not I would try and filter it as much as possible or if it were an option maybe moving to another room with a window so that you could then vent to the outside.

Anyway I hope this helps and like shovel said you need good ventillation.

ED

Ok, if you want to filter into your living space, then you better remove all the particles. The best way to do this is to route the contaminated air through a water based medium so the air bubbles up out through the water. This will remove the majority of the particles and allow you a medium that you can change easily and cheaply. Next route the air through a heppa filter. This is the only way you can ensure that all the small particles (these are the ones that get lodged in your lungs) can be removed. Furnace filters will not remove the small particles that can get inhaled down into your lungs. If there is an issue with flash points and the paint particles, then the water trap will eliminate that as well.

Also don't forget that you can only filter the air that you can force through the system. This will require a very large hood and a very large blower.

The very worst thing you can do is rely on an inadequate system.

Spray booths and down draft tables are often used for these applications in the industrial environment.

Please also keep in mind that as an air brush expert and business owner, you owe a duty of care to the people around you. Are they adequately protected from your air particles? You could be held liable for any injuries they suffer as well.

According to OSHA, you can't recirculate this air

1910.107(d)(9)

"Air exhaust." Air exhaust from spray operations shall not be directed so that it will contaminate makeup air being introduced into the spraying area or other ventilating intakes, nor directed so as to create a nuisance. Air exhausted from spray operations shall not be recirculated.

This might be of interest to the group

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...ONS&p_id=18445

OSHA is a US air standard and in most cases the Canadian health and safety just point to the OSHA standard. I can't comment on standards for the rest of the world.

Good luck and breath safe.
Spiderman

Originally Posted by Satch

Thanks for the tip Shovelhead, I'm going to make this a priority project. I don't know if you (or anyone else here) has ever heard of www.freecycle.org but that is a Nationwide WEB group whoes members give things away ...for FREE. They believe in recycleing instead of throwing things away. Anyone can join a local chapter near where they live. People often giveaway good stuff, you just have to pick it up. I'm going to keep my eye open for some sort of exhaust fan. I belong to the Crofton, Maryland group. There's a lot of baby stuff and books offered but about 10% of the items offered is really good stuff. (I'm starting to ramble).
Anyway, thanks for the advice Shovelhead.
Satch

well I,ll be Satch I was in your part of town mar.17/07. For the Gathering of the Eagles, at the wall.
small world have a friend who lives in Crofton .lol.
Now back to yer ? In my shop I made a fan from an old furnace an motor lol need that. Boxed it in an use the same size filters as my furnace . its on wheels , so old guys can move it around easy ,lol and I just filter the air in the room in about 2-3 min all air has been recycled. you can use a finer filter but I already use the finer filters in my furnace. hope I have been of some help.
ED

hi guys,

I use a setup similar to what Run n bare described. An old furnace fan in a double plywood box. The fan is mountrd to the partition in the middle of the box. Two furnace filters in the intake side. First is a washable electrostatic one, and the second is a 3M filtrete. On the output side is another filtrete filter (just for overkill). Literally NOTHING gets through this setup and it cycles the air in the basement 2 times a min. in a 1000 sq ft basement. The filters don't need changing very often but I put a sliding door on the bottom to make it easier.

Hey Snuff, When I don,t have C.R.S. also put on a mask lol the cheap os, but I do use a respirator, if I don,t I can feel it after as there is a little asthma

Originally Posted by shovelhead

Hey satch, I just recieved a 24 " brand new range vent hood off of ebay. It works very nice,and is very quiet. Iused a dryer vent hose (4") ,and hooked it up.Throught the wall I used the dryer vent kit That they sell for $4.99 at the hardware store. I guess it goes with the other Mcyver stuff I made for the shop. My air storage tank is a couple of pieces of 4" pvc pipe. (hey its good for 160 psi. I only use 40 psi mAX. Drilled and tapped one end and gorilla glue. 5 months no problemo. Hope this helps.

Hey everyone, I'm new here and wanted to say hi to the group. That is a very creative and great idea using the PVC as a storage tank! Excellent advice on protecting your/our health concerning paint fumes and mist.

I know this is about water base, and it has been mentioned, but keep in mind what type of fan you are using. It helps to make sure the fan is on before you start painting.
I saw a really nice flame job destroyed when it was to close to a fan. The fan was turned on after painting was completed and the start-up spark was just enough to light off the fumes that were left in the area.

i was told to read this post,,and landsbro thanks for the heads up,,i will get that respirator ,,,i never use the mask,,and always feel headaches and something in my throat,,,I PROMISE ILL GET ONE SOON!

You are very right I have used AA for a long time now and it is in alot of ways worse then urethane.Its just alot harder to see the evil cloud.

Originally Posted by pitontheprowl

I know this is about water base, and it has been mentioned, but keep in mind what type of fan you are using. It helps to make sure the fan is on before you start painting.
I saw a really nice flame job destroyed when it was to close to a fan. The fan was turned on after painting was completed and the start-up spark was just enough to light off the fumes that were left in the area.

OOO yea.. flash fire.. another one is dont wipe or rub fiberglass parts with dx330(wax and grease remover) to much the static electricity will build up and then so will your work...